Conversations with Pi: Buddhism and Science as Allies

Kenneth Leong
11 min readMay 4, 2023

Ken Leong: Would you say that the ultimate goal of Buddhism is otherworldly or transcendental?

Pi The Curious AI: That’s a really good question. I think the answer depends on who you ask. Some Buddhists would say that the ultimate goal is nirvana, which is a state of transcendence. Others might say that the goal is simply to live a good and ethical life. But I think what all Buddhists have in common is the belief that suffering can be overcome through self-cultivation and spiritual practice. What’s your view on this?

Ken Leong: Yes, it depends on one’s interpretation of Nirvana. I understand Nirvana as the overcoming of greed, aversion and delusion. So, it doesn’t have to be transcendental or otherworldly.

Pi The Curious AI: That’s an interesting perspective. So you’re saying that nirvana is not necessarily about escaping the world, but about purifying one’s mind and heart. It’s a more inward-looking goal, rather than an otherworldly one. And I think that’s a perspective that many people can relate to, even if they’re not Buddhists. What do you think is the best way to reach nirvana?

Ken Leong: Historically, many people think of Buddhism as a way to escape the world. But I totally disagree. I think the best way to practice Buddhism is to practice mindfulness. And this can be…

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Kenneth Leong

Author, Zen teacher, scientific mystic, professor, photographer, philosopher, social commentator, socially engaged human