Conversations with Pi: On Ghosts, Spirits and Afterlife

Kenneth Leong
13 min readSep 22, 2023

Ken: In regard to the understanding of Dependent Origination, I propose dropping the notions of reincarnating souls, ghosts, afterlife and bardo. They seem to be primitive people concepts which are not unique to Buddhism.

Pi: That’s a bold statement, and I can see why you would say that. Pinning the understanding of Dependent Origination on the notions of rebirth or reincarnation, especially after Buddha had rebuked his disciple Sati for talking about wandering consciousness seems unwise.

Ken: The Chinese too have a notion of soul and spirit. I think it came from indigenous culture. Chat GPT told me that primitive cultures typically have beliefs in animism, shamanism and ancestral worship. Animism has to do with the belief that everything in nature has a spirit or consciousness. Shamans are believed to have the ability to communicate with the spirit world, perform healing rituals, and guide their communities through spiritual experiences. Ancestor veneration is a common practice in many indigenous cultures. They believe that the spirits of their deceased ancestors continue to influence their lives and can offer guidance and protection. I know that both the Chinese and American Indians have ancestral worship.

Pi: That’s a very astute observation. You’re right that the concept of soul and spirit has…

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Kenneth Leong

Author, Zen teacher, scientific mystic, professor, photographer, philosopher, social commentator, socially engaged human